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      Considerable... What does it mean?

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      • Chasing snowflakes
        2016-03-16 12:23:50

        Considerable... What does it mean?

        As Avalanche fatalities continue to appear in the news one might think that those recreating would head the warning and dial things back. Unfortunately it seems that everyday we find people out there in places or skiing/snowmobiling terrain features that are specifically described in the daily avalanche bulletin as places to be avoided. To generalize, it would seem that some open their Avalanche Canada App in the morning, tap their regions icon and read the landing page. 3.considerable, 2. considerable , moderate. “Okay cool! “ Close the app and walk out the door. I feel as if some people don't bother reading the summaries listed on the second screen, which gives a brief explanation of how that regions forecaster came to those danger ratings.


        For most of the winter we have been in the " Considerable" range in the alpine and treeline with the odd spike to high or a dip to moderate peppered in throughout the winter. It would seem as if we have been in an extended period of considerable and that some are forgetting the importance of that particular descriptor. Considerable is described as;


        “ Dangerous avalanche conditions. Careful snowpack evaluation, cautious route-finding and conservative decision-making essential.

        Natural avalanches possible; human-triggered avalanches likely.

        Small avalanches in many areas; or large avalanches in specific areas; or very large avalanches in isolated areas.”

        If we had a non backcountry user read this and ask them what they thoughts what would they say? It's likely they would say  that the current conditions need to be respected and that conservative backcountry travel should be executed. So why do we continue to see people high marking big slopes on lee features, under cornices after a snow and wind event? The forecast listed all these concerns yet here they are, throwing their machines at suspect slopes while 4-5 of their friends sit and watch in the run out zone. A frustration Frozen Pirate Snow Services has shared with the community yesterday via facebook ( Posted below ).

        So do your friends a solid and if you have the opportunity throw in a little casual back country education. It's obvious that some don't truly grasp the bulletin and and only see colors. Red? Bad. Orange. Hummm. Yellow. Awesome. Green. Ski all the things!( enter clever internet meme here )  So Even if you're not quite sure about the technical lingo, just starting the dialogue is enough to make most people think about what they are doing or about to do. Perhaps it might prompt them to do a little extra reading or enroll in more formal education. 

        Awareness is half the battle so let's make our friends, neighbors and trail head acquaintances a bit more aware.




         

        From Frozen Pirate


        “ How can fix the seemingly un-reachable mountain "sledder" ?

        This weekend we witnessed so many scenarios that almost made it embarrassing to be labeled as a mountain sledder. The picture below is one of them. There are other examples and even one occasion where we very gently approached groups riding under very large hazards only to be met with complete arrogance and conflict.

        How can we fix this? How long will we be able to participate in this amazing sport before we are banned from the back country? What incident will be the last straw in the eyes of the regulators? This needs to be a community wide discussion and it needs to happen now.

        We have had a bad year as a sport with far too many incidents that resulted in someone losing a life and others losing family members and friends. I know this will not be popular, although all of these incidents were arguably avoidable should riders have chosen terrain accordingly based on their training and the avalanche hazard, traveled safely and effectively in avalanche terrain, and practice good habits.

        These potentially life changing terrain decisions must be based on the avalanche hazard and this then needs to be compared to your personal level of experience, training and your skill to evaluate the hazard and the terrain directly from the field.

        If the experience and training are not there to effectively make important decisions from the field, there are tools available that we can use (Avalanche Canada) and we need to treat these tools as our PPE (personal protective education???) so to speak, although we cannot simply rely on the one-word danger ratings to keep us safe.

        There is much more data available to us if we go looking, but the problem is, we need to WANT to go looking and we need to make decisions based on what we are reading.

        If we do not have the skill level and experience to handle the hazards discussed, we need to avoid them at all costs and this comes down again to…..you guessed it… terrain! And this is something that we control 100%

        We are our own worst enemies when it comes to the terrain we think is suitable for the conditions as we understand them. Human factors such as familiarity, complacency and acceptance often sway our individual decision making abilities.

        In this day and age, we should not have mountain sledders heading up with out all the basic tools (avalanche transceiver, probe, shovel and training). These tools are all necessary and mandatory and this should not even be a thought in the sledders mind, they should be habit.

        We should not be seeing backpacks full of safety gear strapped to sleds, or tunnel bags full of booze instead of survival gear. We should not be seeing families heading up a trail where only Dad has the equipment and when questioned says we are “not heading into avalanche terrain”. We should not be seeing multiple people sitting in run out zones or terrain traps exposed to hazard, and this list can go on and on.

        This culture needs to change, but how can we do it?

        One of the biggest problems I face as an avalanche safety educator and promoter is that the un-reachable mountain sledder will likely not lay eyes on this piece of text or the many others that are often circulated. This is likely to end up as just another rant that is only going to be read by those who know better.

        Sledding is like any other sport or thing. The people that care are the ones that educate themselves. Unfortunately our sport has higher consequences than most. Sometimes bad things happen even if you are prepared and educated but at least be responsible and inform yourself.

        But! You all can share this information, talk about responsible riding in the field and make safety (ugh…I hate that word…responsible decision making maybe?) a bigger part of the culture of our sport.

        Please don’t just “like” this, please share it and please continue to the discussion.

        Ride safe.”



      • 2016-03-16 15:38:39

        Yes, education is key if we are going to see any changes in behavior. The problem comes with how avalanche “professionals” approach educating the public. The approach taken often does more harm than good and only serves to further isolate the intended target. Avalanche technicians are woefully unprepared for public education and often come off sounding very condescending when they feel that it is their place to lecture others. More often than not, after receiving an unnecessary and rude lecture from a self-righteous patroller or avy tech, backcountry users will seek to avoid the messenger and are left with a contemptable impression.

        There needs to be change in the way avalanche education is pursued, not only with how it is presented but who is presenting it. Current Avalanche Canada certification programs are insufficient; fully qualified avalanche technicians have a mere four weeks of classroom training – a plumber has more (think about that!). Professional avalanche technicians hold a non-academic certificate earned in a non-science/math based curriculum and many only hold a high school diploma. Avalanche and Cryology studies really belong to the academic sciences and should be a full four-year university bachelor of science degree. With this degree a few semesters of public education courses should be mandatory.

        Also, insisting that avalanche bulletins issued by those very same low-level “technicians” should be taken as gospel is dangerous. It has become common amongst many of my partners to never check avalanche bulletins. They are often too broad and cover huge geographical areas to be of any reliable use. Bulletins leave out the many subtle differences in hazards from feature to feature and fail to recognize how quickly conditions and avalanche hazards can change. Trusting that the stated bulletin hazard is “considerable” and making route choices based on that can be dangerous if the hazard is actually higher, or if there is a variable hazard in the terrain. You need to make your own snow stability assessments .

        I often tell people that going out into simple terrain on high and extreme hazard days is a must for all backcountry users. You need to educate yourself and know what the signs of instability look like and how to identify a weak and dangerous snowpack. The ironic thing is that when I do this near my resort, I am often approached by a patroller with a lecture when they should be recognizing the importance of this exercise. It’s like they believe that only they are capable of recognizing hazards and that everyone should simply take their word for it, no questions asked. Often, when I see them coming, I make a few moves to avoid them.

        In short, as my professors used to say, “YOU are responsible for your own education”.



      • skiitsbetter
        2016-03-16 16:34:28

        The amount of incidents this year has certainly been a wake up call for me to read more into the meaning of "considerable" and what it means in terms of probabilities and consequences. We've been blessed with a couple of good winters in the past, but it is time to re-evaluate what is acceptable terrain under the current avalanche conditions.

        I think we've seen an explosion in the number of users recently and that hasn't been followed by a corresponding increase in incidents. More people = more data points = more certainty of what is acceptable terrain.

        As far as spreading awareness to the unaware, I think it is important to acknowledge that even the most experienced users have some sort of blind spot. What is the point of telling off some newbie without gear or training or awareness of the current conditions from skiing a slope...then going and skiing that same slope thinking that the gear/training/awareness will keep you safe?


      • one4adventure
        2016-03-16 19:36:01

        IMHO, Considerable is WAYYY to ambiguous and maybe should be changed to somthing a bit more clear!
      • cwsnowpro
        2016-03-16 20:11:32

        You know, this is so NOT new.

        Sad but true, my first experiences with sledders in the back country were not the best. Noisy all day, then with night fall a roaring fire and a lot of whiskey. 

        Actually thats not true. It was on a rolling trail in SE Ontario with relatives heading out to ice fish.

        Finally a few clubs and dealerships got on the bandwagen and started seaching for info and sessions. In the North Okanagan I provided alot of these early sesssions with my team of RAC Providers off we went into the upper slopes of Sicamous and nearby Malakwa...ring a bell anyone?

        The heli ski industry even jumped in and offered all thier old single antannae old frequency units. Lucky sledders!

        That was fine until those of us that were on a new version frequency were called out to search for the old frequency. Hence Ortovoxs' DF back in the day. Not the best but better than you know what.

        Back on track, the sleds have gotten way to powerful, the boys are bored on the flats and balls are bigger than ever!

        Whether they get training or not thier game is going up, way up and fast. There really is NO safe way up the middle of a huge shute below the 60 metre long cornice above you in the cross loded wind bowl. If thats your game, beware,period.

        We as ski touring machines try to avoid the hazzards on the way up to get to the top safely to take our higher risks while getting those face shots on the way down. It does not always work for us be we mostly are alway on the alert for that bad day in the back country where as our friends on sleds roll the dice way more the we do.

        All I can say is please,      "Be Aware of the Snow out there"



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